美國跟進日本「把企業撤出中國」 政府買 - 股票
By Frederic
at 2020-04-13T07:48
at 2020-04-13T07:48
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※ 引述《coober ()》之銘言:
: 當疫情高峰過了之後
: 因為疫情而失去的工作職位
: 很可能不會再回來了
我不太懂你這個推論哪裡來的呢
現在各國股市還沒崩跌,就是看準經濟體本身只是碰到小感冒
等到大家都復工以後就重新回到去年底的榮景
所以您這邊的看法是: 全球會進入景氣寒冬之中嗎?
否則為什麼疫情期間失去的工作崗位就一去不復返了呢?
實際上各國的做法也比較像是應急撐住等著大家復工而非長期抗戰的作法
當然主要原因還是美國爸爸大印鈔大家不得不跟著印XDDD
: 這時大量的失業人潮 會對政客形成巨大的壓力
: 工廠遷回國 是能增加工作機會的方式
: 是政客可以運用政策工具補貼來實行的手段
工廠遷回國有很多問題啦
現在在美國本土以外的廠,很多都是他們自己根本不想要的
建廠成本根本就不是什麼大問題,重點是後續的生產成本和整體國家的外部成本
一家$10M的投資,年度營業額可能是$50M,抓CoGS 50%好了就是$25M
你補貼他建廠10M,隨隨便便5%的CoGS增加就算虧了
其實我還算高估Profit Margin,通常美國非本土生產廠都還更低
你要政府怎麼補助這塊缺口? 每年砸錢給他?
: 也可以拿來證明 政客有努力過了
: 現在算是在超前部署吧
: 因為過一陣子一定要面對這個問題
: 這跟甚麼國際大戰略無關
: 也不是理性思考的結果
: 而是到時候選民的憤怒 會把政客逼瘋
: 那種狀態下 甚麼事情都幹得出來
: 能增工作機會 那怕是最簡單基礎 沒有任何戰略性的工業都要
過去二三十年,消費者早就已經被養壞胃口了
這種國際化低成本生產效率模式造就了美國人強大的購買力和更高的生活水準
實際上美國自己也知道,你要是讓企業成本墊上去,物價自然也會漲上來
受衝擊最嚴重的將會是中產階級,因為他們並沒有因為企業成本上升而受益
所以他們購買力只會越來越弱
而美國其實整體國力就是靠這些中高階白領打工仔在支撐的(像某教主這種)
靠他們提供高端價值的研發、設計、以及創造來得到高獲利
收稅、消費也是這些中高階打工仔在支撐,那些低端高端其實都收不太到稅的
(台灣某些方面也是這樣的情況,只是台灣壓榨這群人壓榨更兇)
大家很討厭中國,MIC品質真的大起大落無可否認
可是過去二三十年間,消費級產品和商用級產品差距拉近到如此接近
中國真的功不可沒....當然換個角度來看就是沒高技術力的企業獲利會更加困難XDDD
就消費者的角度而言,我們有現在這個時代的物質生活,中國是主要推手之一
那回到中國,實際上只依靠人力的國際產業早在2015年以後就大量撤出中國了
一來中國土地越來越貴,二來中國人力也越來越高
現在中國那些非資本密集產業還在境內的比較偏向"特殊性內需市場"
而那些還留在中國的大規模生產廠也很難搬遷,一來產業鏈就在那邊
二來中國內需的量級就擺在那邊,規模經濟下成本還是有優勢
當然,新投資案"可能"不會在中國,中國自己也知道
所以中國使用各種扭曲的資本主義手段在製造優勢、扶植國內產業
可是很多努力都會被習包子抵銷掉就是了XD
最後,其實大家可以想一想
中國雖然充滿了風險,可是大家提的印度、越南、緬甸、柬埔寨之類的
政治風險、能源風險、原物料風險...等會比較低嗎?
能去低風險國家如台灣當然很好,問題是成本差距能cover嗎?
--
: 當疫情高峰過了之後
: 因為疫情而失去的工作職位
: 很可能不會再回來了
我不太懂你這個推論哪裡來的呢
現在各國股市還沒崩跌,就是看準經濟體本身只是碰到小感冒
等到大家都復工以後就重新回到去年底的榮景
所以您這邊的看法是: 全球會進入景氣寒冬之中嗎?
否則為什麼疫情期間失去的工作崗位就一去不復返了呢?
實際上各國的做法也比較像是應急撐住等著大家復工而非長期抗戰的作法
當然主要原因還是美國爸爸大印鈔大家不得不跟著印XDDD
: 這時大量的失業人潮 會對政客形成巨大的壓力
: 工廠遷回國 是能增加工作機會的方式
: 是政客可以運用政策工具補貼來實行的手段
工廠遷回國有很多問題啦
現在在美國本土以外的廠,很多都是他們自己根本不想要的
建廠成本根本就不是什麼大問題,重點是後續的生產成本和整體國家的外部成本
一家$10M的投資,年度營業額可能是$50M,抓CoGS 50%好了就是$25M
你補貼他建廠10M,隨隨便便5%的CoGS增加就算虧了
其實我還算高估Profit Margin,通常美國非本土生產廠都還更低
你要政府怎麼補助這塊缺口? 每年砸錢給他?
: 也可以拿來證明 政客有努力過了
: 現在算是在超前部署吧
: 因為過一陣子一定要面對這個問題
: 這跟甚麼國際大戰略無關
: 也不是理性思考的結果
: 而是到時候選民的憤怒 會把政客逼瘋
: 那種狀態下 甚麼事情都幹得出來
: 能增工作機會 那怕是最簡單基礎 沒有任何戰略性的工業都要
過去二三十年,消費者早就已經被養壞胃口了
這種國際化低成本生產效率模式造就了美國人強大的購買力和更高的生活水準
實際上美國自己也知道,你要是讓企業成本墊上去,物價自然也會漲上來
受衝擊最嚴重的將會是中產階級,因為他們並沒有因為企業成本上升而受益
所以他們購買力只會越來越弱
而美國其實整體國力就是靠這些中高階白領打工仔在支撐的(像某教主這種)
靠他們提供高端價值的研發、設計、以及創造來得到高獲利
收稅、消費也是這些中高階打工仔在支撐,那些低端高端其實都收不太到稅的
(台灣某些方面也是這樣的情況,只是台灣壓榨這群人壓榨更兇)
大家很討厭中國,MIC品質真的大起大落無可否認
可是過去二三十年間,消費級產品和商用級產品差距拉近到如此接近
中國真的功不可沒....當然換個角度來看就是沒高技術力的企業獲利會更加困難XDDD
就消費者的角度而言,我們有現在這個時代的物質生活,中國是主要推手之一
那回到中國,實際上只依靠人力的國際產業早在2015年以後就大量撤出中國了
一來中國土地越來越貴,二來中國人力也越來越高
現在中國那些非資本密集產業還在境內的比較偏向"特殊性內需市場"
而那些還留在中國的大規模生產廠也很難搬遷,一來產業鏈就在那邊
二來中國內需的量級就擺在那邊,規模經濟下成本還是有優勢
當然,新投資案"可能"不會在中國,中國自己也知道
所以中國使用各種扭曲的資本主義手段在製造優勢、扶植國內產業
可是很多努力都會被習包子抵銷掉就是了XD
最後,其實大家可以想一想
中國雖然充滿了風險,可是大家提的印度、越南、緬甸、柬埔寨之類的
政治風險、能源風險、原物料風險...等會比較低嗎?
能去低風險國家如台灣當然很好,問題是成本差距能cover嗎?
--
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at 2020-04-13T00:05
at 2020-04-13T00:05